Before I get into an analysis of a MONUMENTAL moment in the fight for vaccine truth…
I want to simply provide a transcript of the discussion between Tucker Carlson and Robert Kennedy, Jr. which aired on Tucker Carlson Tonight on April 20, 2017.
Tucker teased the story before a commercial break, saying:
“Up next, President Trump is suggesting he wants to investigate the safety of vaccines and if he does he has an ally in a member of the Kennedy family. We sat down with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. to talk about his meeting with the President about vaccines. It’s an interesting conversation. Stay tuned.”
The screen then went to a commercial break.
The first commercial was about Chantix, a medication designed to help people quit smoking. It was a beautiful commercial in which “Thomas” was able to quit smoking and become a better dad to his son.
However, the warnings just after those wonderful domestic scenes painted a different picture:
“Some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping Chantix. Some reported seizures or sleep-walking with Chantix. If you have any of these, stop Chantix and call your doctor right away. Tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse, or of seizures. Don’t take Chantix if you’ve had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. If you have these, stop Chantix and call your doctor right away, as some could be life-threatening. Tell your doctor if you have heart or blood vessel problems or develop new or worse symptoms. Get medical help right away if you have symptoms of a heart attack or stroke. Decrease alcohol use while taking Chantix. Use caution driving or operating machinery. The most common side effect of Chantix is nausea.”
When the show returned, this is what they said:
TUCKER CARLSON: Well, the vast majority of medical experts insist that vaccines are ‘generally safe’, that there is no link between vaccines and autism. And that is widely accepted, but not universally. President Trump has expressed interest in investigating the matter further, vaccine safety. If he does, he has at least one supporter from a prominent democratic family. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. met earlier this year with the President to discuss the possibility of forming a commission to investigate the safety of vaccines. We spoke to him about that topic recently. Watch.
The interview had been recorded the previous day and showed the two men sitting together.
TUCKER CARLSON: This is such a taboo subject that I think a lot of people would hesitate to even bring it up. But I’ve read a lot that you’ve written on it. I don’t agree with all of it, but I don’t think you’re crazy. You’re not anti-vaccine. You say you vaccinate your own children. But you have concerns. Tell me first, what the reaction is when you tell people you’re skeptical of the vaccine regimen in the United States.
ROBERT KENNEDY, JR.: Well, like you said, I’m pro-vaccine. And I’ve never said anything anti-vaccine. But I read the science and the science is very clear that some vaccines – you have to understand that the vaccine regime changed very dramatically around 1989. The reason it changed Tucker, is that Congress, drowning in pharmaceutical industry money, did something they’ve never done for any other industry. They gave blanket legal immunity to all the vaccine companies. So that no matter how sloppy the line protocol, or how absent the quality control, no matter how toxic the ingredients, or how egregious the injury of your child, you cannot sue them.
So there’s no depositions, there’s no discovery, there’s no class actions. All of a sudden, vaccines became enormously profitable.
TUCKER CARLSON: From that point when the law passed in eighty-nine?
ROBERT KENNEDY, JR: Eighty-seven was when it was implemented and then it was a gold rush for the pharmaceutical industry to add new vaccines to the schedule. I got three vaccines and I was fully compliant and I’m sixty-three years old. My children had sixty-nine doses of sixteen vaccines to be compliant. And a lot of these vaccines aren’t even for casually communicable diseases. Like hepatitis B which comes from unprotected sex or sharing needles. Why do we give that to a child on the first day of their life, when it’s loaded with mercury?
TUCKER CARLSON: And do give that to children?
ROBERT KENNEDY, JR.: We continue to give it to them. The mercury has been taken out of three vaccines, in this country, but it remains in the flu vaccine, forty-eight million flu vaccines. And it’s in vaccines all over the world. And it is the most potent neuro-toxin known to man, that is not radioactive. How can we inject that into a child?
If you take that vaccine vial and break it, you have to dispose of that as hazardous waste. You have to evacuate the building. Why would we take that substance and inject that into a child?
TUCKER CARLSON: So the argument, as you know, is that group immunity, herd immunity, is what you’re searching for. And yes, there are downsides.
ROBERT KENNEDY, JR.: When they talk about herd immunity they’re talking about casually contagious diseases like measles. Last month, a group of very prestigious scientists, with a robust study of African children, studied the DPT vaccine, diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus vaccine, which is the most widely distributed vaccine in the world. Virtually every kid in Africa gets it. But they did a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study, which has never been done. And what they found is that the kids who got the vaccine, the little babies, were ten times more likely to die in the next two months as the kids who did not.
And what they concluded was that, and this study was funded by the Danish government, and these people are bullet-proof scientists, they said that the vaccine is killing more people than diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus combined. So we need to do those cost-benefit analyses on every vaccine.
TUCKER CARLSON: Final question, why has the point that you’re making, that doesn’t seem crazy, been so discredited? Could it be because the spokesmen for that point of view tend to be actresses or actors from Hollywood who don’t seem to know much about the topic and are against all vaccinations?
ROBERT KENNEDY, JR.: I think that cohort is out there, but it’s very, very small. I’m called anti-vax all the time because the pharmaceutical industry is so powerful, both with the media, they give $5.4 billion dollars a year to media. And they’ve gotten rid of the lawyers do there’s no legal interest in those cases. And they have really been able to control the debate and silence people like me. And I’m very grateful to you for having the courage to allow me on this show and let me talk about this.
This is the second show in ten years, that’s allowed me to talk about this, the other one being Bill Maher, which doesn’t take advertising.
TUCKER CARLSON: I just think it’s interesting. And above all, I think you ought to be allowed to ask legitimate questions, without being attacked. Because I think that’s the basis of democracy.
ROBERT KENNEDY, JR.: We ought to be having a responsible debate and a debate doesn’t scare me. But a debate that’s real and is based on science.
TUCKER CARLSON: Well, I hope you start one. Thank you.
ROBERT KENNEDY, Jr.: Thank you very much for having me.
In ten years, Robert Kennedy, Jr. has only been on two shows to discuss this issue.
The forces which oppose this debate being conducted by people of goodwill on both sides is overwhelming. I recall hearing Robert Kennedy, Jr. speak recently and he talked about how people on the left typically fear the power of corporations and people on the right typically fear the power of the government.
Kennedy said we are looking at a new creation in America, a government controlled by corporations. The term for it is known as “regulatory capture” when the people who work in government regulating an industry, know that they can get an even better job working privately for that industry. One hand washes another. We have seen it in many industries. In World War II, that is exactly how Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were run. Hitler and Mussolini co-opted the big capitalists. This time it is the reverse.
The pharmaceutical companies have more than fifteen hundred lobbyists in Washington, D.C., or three lobbyists for EVERY member of Congress. They spend TWICE as much money lobbying Congress as the oil and gas industry. And they have COMPLETE IMMUNITY FOR HARM CAUSED BY THEIR PRODUCTS.
Tucker Carlson took a very brave stand.
I don’t think he realizes the size of the storm that is bearing down on him. PLEASE. PLEASE. PLEASE. Give him some cover by sending a message of thanks at firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, or leave a message at 1-888-369-4762.
By Kent Heckenlively, JD
Kent Heckenlively is the author of INOCULATED: How Science Lost its Soul in Autism, available on Amazon and at Barnes&Noble.com